Kenyan Safari with the big five, water crossings, and upclose big animal experience
Audley Travel (Amy C is our guest)
https://www.audleytravel.com/us/africa/specialists/amy-c
Audley Travel Kenya Web Page (Tremendous Resource)
https://www.audleytravel.com/us/kenya/places-to-go
Nairobi (Capital of Kenya)
https://www.audleytravel.com/us/kenya/places-to-go/nairobi
Kenya Airways
Big Five (lion, leopard, rhinoceros, elephant, and Cape buffalo)
https://www.audleytravel.com/us/kenya/country-guides/big-five-in-kenya
Karen Nairobi (Suburb – ideal place to stay)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen,_Kenya
Karen Blixen (namesake of suburb Karen and author of Out of Africa)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Blixen
Karen Blixen museum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rungstedlund
Nairobi National Park
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nairobi_National_Park
Karisia Hills
https://www.audleytravel.com/us/kenya/places-to-go/kenyas-northern-frontier/karisia-hills
Maasai People
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maasai_people
Maasai Mara National Park
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maasai_Mara
https://www.audleytravel.com/us/kenya/places-to-go/masai-mara-national-reserve
Great Migration
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serengeti#Great_migration
Laikipia Plateau
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laikipia_County\
Samburu National Park
Meru National Park
Transcript
Good afternoon and welcome to the how to train your wagon podcast.
Speaker:The podcast that takes three generations of travelers around the
Speaker:world to different destinations.
Speaker:And in this episode,
Speaker:The reason why people are so excited about river crossings is
Speaker:because of how spectacular and dynamic and chaotic they are.
Speaker:The great migration is essentially 2 million animals that are
Speaker:attempting to cross this river.
Speaker:At any given point, you might see a hundred, you might see 200, you
Speaker:might see 50, you might see a hundred thousand and they might all try to
Speaker:go at the same time across the river.
Speaker:Today we're joined by Amy Czarnecki of Audley travel.
Speaker:Amy is a travel specialist with Audley travel that among other
Speaker:responsibilities helps plan safaris to Africa and other destinations.
Speaker:I'm also joined by my wife, Kimberlee but first the warm welcome to Amy.
Speaker:. Welcome.
Speaker:Thanks for having me on behalf of Audley
Speaker:so first what you say a little about yourself
Speaker:so I'm an east Africa senior travel specialist with Audley travel, which
Speaker:means that there's a dedicated region of the world that I put all of my
Speaker:effort and thought into, I've done numerous research trips into the regions
Speaker:in which I do design travel trips.
Speaker:We do everything completely custom designed based on the client's desires
Speaker:their whole portfolio who's coming, what their preferences are and their
Speaker:total kind of idea of what their ideal budget and level of luxury would be.
Speaker:We can do everything essentially as a company from door to door.
Speaker:So we can do international travel from the U S all the way over to your destination.
Speaker:And then certainly on the return taking care of all of the logistics
Speaker:completely while you're on the ground.
Speaker:So really there's very little left out of pocket specifically, I would say.
Speaker:In the safari realm of what we do.
Speaker:Certainly we do cover around 85 countries worldwide now including
Speaker:us domestic at this point.
Speaker:And so there are various countries that have elements that you do have a lot
Speaker:of pieces on your own, but safari is one that tends to be more inclusive.
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Speaker:Amy first question is I think for many of us safaris are a
Speaker:once in a lifetime dream travel.
Speaker:So tell us about traveling to east Africa for a safari.
Speaker:I'll say that.
Speaker:Like you everyone thinks that this is the trip they're going to do one time.
Speaker:And I can tell you very honestly, that 96% of people easily and I've,
Speaker:yes, I've totally made that number up, but it does seem to be real.
Speaker:They come back again.
Speaker:Safari is a place that steals your heart.
Speaker:Getting into east Africa, meeting the people, seeing the wildlife
Speaker:in an untamed completely wild environment is just something that
Speaker:can not be replicated other places.
Speaker:It is.
Speaker:Each country.
Speaker:And I think that is also something that's really important to
Speaker:recognize each country is uniquely different and does offer something
Speaker:different from the country prior.
Speaker:You get in, you get that initial experience.
Speaker:And I have many clients that come in and they say, this is it.
Speaker:I'm going one time.
Speaker:I want to get, all of the iconic national parks off my list.
Speaker:There's certain things I'm looking to see.
Speaker:I saw it here.
Speaker:I saw it there, a friend did it.
Speaker:And I can almost tell you hands down, I speak with the same client the year
Speaker:following doing a totally different trip to a different area of Africa.
Speaker:So it is a place that completely the, bewitches is you and steals your heart.
Speaker:And once people go they want to find a way to get back.
Speaker:That's the truth.
Speaker:Okay, great.
Speaker:And so I guess one question is, east Africa obviously
Speaker:encompasses a large area.
Speaker:We structure this to allow a three-generation travel party to visualize
Speaker:a focused vacation, for maybe something like a region of Europe, we may focus
Speaker:on things over the course of a week, given the time and the expense of travel.
Speaker:I imagine they're gonna want to travel for more than a week.
Speaker:So knowing that our framework for safari might be different than
Speaker:a framework for Western Europe.
Speaker:Why don't you walk us through what you would envision for a great safari vacation
Speaker:for a three-generation party of travel.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:So there is a lot of different factors that would go into which country you might
Speaker:ultimately travel to level of fitness, level of activity, how much safari you
Speaker:really do love as opposed to perhaps wanting to do some city maybe some beach
Speaker:aspects for this particular conversation.
Speaker:We've decided to focus on Kenya as a destination because it
Speaker:offers a great deal of variety.
Speaker:It specializes, I would say almost truly specializes in multi-generational
Speaker:travel in that very specific safari camps and lodges we'll have a lots
Speaker:of different activities to go to the different levels of activity
Speaker:in any individual party of people.
Speaker:So not only can it be customized for you based on how active you are, but then
Speaker:each camp will then also have a variety of activities that you can then individually
Speaker:select from, as you're coming along.
Speaker:I really love the idea of doing Kenya.
Speaker:I've done it with my family.
Speaker:Just two generations, but I brought my 18 month old with me
Speaker:and it was absolutely spectacular.
Speaker:We basically focused on a few regions and that's what I would
Speaker:suggest you do with safari.
Speaker:So you need to prioritize, what are the most important
Speaker:aspects of the trip for you?
Speaker:Is there a specific animal that you want to see?
Speaker:Some people absolutely have to see every giraffe there ever was or elephants with
Speaker:the longest tusks, or they need to see Kilimanjaro, for example you need to
Speaker:figure out what are the most important priorities, what are the things that
Speaker:you're not willing to sacrifice on the.
Speaker:And then you take those things and you speak to a specialist about it.
Speaker:It can be some of the silliest things you've ever heard.
Speaker:We really love, archery.
Speaker:I have to drink goat, tea, goat, milk tea, I, whatever it might be
Speaker:that they've seen somewhere else.
Speaker:And then you can take those interests and pull them into a safari trip.
Speaker:So what I would say is that you at least want to do, I think a minimum of a two
Speaker:stops safari trip is what I would call it.
Speaker:So picking two unique regions, if not three, I think three is ideal.
Speaker:And there are very unique and biodiverse regions all throughout Kenya.
Speaker:So you have these very interesting and unique ecosystems that you can
Speaker:focus on based on your preferences.
Speaker:That sounds great.
Speaker:. Now talking about that in the areas, where would you recommend a stay like
Speaker:on our first day or coming in, like how would you break that up into the
Speaker:two destinations explain also like the places that you may put us in?
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:So I would say on arrival from the U S there's really only one direct flight
Speaker:from the U S and it comes out of JFK that direct flight is on Kenya airways, and
Speaker:it lands around 10:30 in the morning.
Speaker:So that's really the only flight option where you have the day on arrival to
Speaker:perhaps do something or take it easy or settle in, essentially all the other
Speaker:flights, aside from a few others that come in and like mid-afternoon, and right after
Speaker:midnight, something like that, typically people are coming in the evening hours.
Speaker:So you arrive that first night, you basically go straight to
Speaker:your lodge and then you sleep.
Speaker:You have that whole night's sleep depending on the person
Speaker:you might spend a day and night.
Speaker:Typically when you arrive, most people, there are a bunch of city center hotels
Speaker:in Nairobi, but most people are, if, especially if they're going to spend
Speaker:any time in Nairobi area, they're going out to a suburb called Karen.
Speaker:The Karen suburb is quite literally where Karen blixen's house once was.
Speaker:It's that whole area.
Speaker:If you spend two nights in Nairobi, you can do things like go into Nairobi
Speaker:national park, which is quite beautiful.
Speaker:And it's right.
Speaker:It's quite startling.
Speaker:I think in terms of you have this national park with wild animals, lions,
Speaker:and rhinos and whatnot set against, the backdrop of this, skyscraper
Speaker:city behind you, which is quite incredible, then people might do, Karen
Speaker:Blixen's museum cause they're a beads.
Speaker:They'll go and do some shopping and souvenir stuff.
Speaker:They'll go to the elephant orphanage, Daphne Sheldrick Some people adopt
Speaker:elephants and do an evening tour there.
Speaker:That's a little bit more private.
Speaker:You can hike in the air gong Hills, if you're more active.
Speaker:And there's just lots of little eateries and places to go throughout, the area you
Speaker:go to the draft center and there's lots of different options as far as budget.
Speaker:So there's some really basic options of places to stay on up to draft manner,
Speaker:which is obviously world famous.
Speaker:And you feed the draft from your hands at breakfast time in the morning.
Speaker:You have lots of different options of places to go while you're there.
Speaker:That sounds
Speaker:incredible.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And so the first thing that comes up is typically we, we have that day,
Speaker:we call it getting our sea legs.
Speaker:We try and find some time to kill and tough where we can go to sleep and
Speaker:then hopefully a good night's sleep.
Speaker:And so the two first questions that come up are what would be your understanding?
Speaker:Kenya is itself is very diverse.
Speaker:What would be a good Kenyan meal?
Speaker:What is, and what is good Kenyan Cuisine.
Speaker:That's a really tough question.
Speaker:I would say most people are not eating local foods typically.
Speaker:So obviously Kenya was colonized many years ago.
Speaker:So the food has come along.
Speaker:And so what, when you're thinking of traditional Kenyan food, I would think
Speaker:more in terms of like tribal food, I would think food like that, the
Speaker:Maasai eating or the Sambura eating.
Speaker:And a lot of that is , it's corn it's literally goat's milk it's, cows, blood
Speaker:it's, things of that nature that typically people aren't So interested in eating
Speaker:for, so you were excited about eating.
Speaker:You'll find a lot of times is that the vegetables, the beans, the fresh food
Speaker:eating the meats are just absolutely out of this world because everything
Speaker:essentially so much more so than here, certainly in the U S is like essentially
Speaker:farm to table, like farm to table.
Speaker:Isn't a thing.
Speaker:Cause that's just quite frankly how they dine people, grow everything.
Speaker:Your fruits and vegetables are going to be some of the most incredible
Speaker:flavors that you've ever had.
Speaker:They're going to just burst off your tongue.
Speaker:The meats are all, local and fresh, the fish is coming
Speaker:right from the Indian ocean.
Speaker:So anything that you have, even if it's more catered towards a Western
Speaker:pallet or a European pallet is going to have, I think so much more flavor.
Speaker:And then as you move through a safari, every camp will want to do some sort of
Speaker:traditional night, but they'll do it on a traditional night with a Western flair.
Speaker:I'll call it.
Speaker:So you'll get something that's a bit bean base, rice-based corn based, but
Speaker:actually it's all these local vegetables that you're very familiar with already
Speaker:as opposed to a real local meal.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:I'll tell you, this is actually one of the more insightful questions we've asked.
Speaker:I, when I started this process, I never thought this would be an
Speaker:insightful question, but now the other thing is I question, I typically ask
Speaker:when we've had our good first night.
Speaker:We're rearing to go the next day.
Speaker:Talk to me about , what is a Kenyan breakfast or what would
Speaker:an American traveler experience for breakfast in Kenya?
Speaker:And then the other question is Kenya to your coffee country.
Speaker:Great questions.
Speaker:Again, safari being a unique animal altogether is that they
Speaker:have, what they call an American breakfast at a lot of these places.
Speaker:So yeah.
Speaker:Get a breakfast that you would be much more familiar with.
Speaker:Again but it might be local mango.
Speaker:It's going to be pineapples.
Speaker:It's going to be these incredible bananas, and they'll have oats and
Speaker:they'll have millet porridge and, so you'll get a lot of local grains and
Speaker:a lot of local Porges for breakfast, you'll get they'll offer eggs.
Speaker:But they, again they try to mimic what we're expecting the food to be a little
Speaker:bit more when you're in these hotels and a little bit more when you're in the safari
Speaker:lodges locals typically, I think locals that are more modern and city bound,
Speaker:they will eat, three meals a day and snacks like we're so accustomed to doing.
Speaker:But I do know from some conversations I've had with guys they're guides and
Speaker:whatnot, Very much more commonly to eat two meals that are really like chip
Speaker:potty and beans and corn and whatnot.
Speaker:I think you find that it's going to be, again, much more catered
Speaker:to our preferences for a breakfast meal, but it will be abundant.
Speaker:There'll be more food than, what to do with is what's typical.
Speaker:And it will be a lot of fresh fruits typically in the morning, fresh juices
Speaker:that are hand squeezed, things like that.
Speaker:I would say naturally to the region east Africa is naturally a coffee region.
Speaker:The coffee beans.
Speaker:They're absolutely incredible.
Speaker:The roasting that's done there.
Speaker:A lot of places are lots of co coffee plantations.
Speaker:But also this is a bit from colonization.
Speaker:So then there's also tea plantations and whatnot as well.
Speaker:So truthfully it's a little bit of both and I would say.
Speaker:Also truthfully that you'll probably have some of the best coffee you've
Speaker:had potentially in your life out there as well as tea, because it's all
Speaker:again, locally source locally made.
Speaker:So it's actually absolutely delicious.
Speaker:. Now that we've been there for a full day
Speaker:I guess our jet lag is over, what would you have us do on our first big day?
Speaker:Like our first big attraction in Kenya or Nairobi?
Speaker:If you were in Nairobi, you would probably do to some of the more basic stuff.
Speaker:Just seeing the area.
Speaker:What I would more or less like Lee have you do is get on a light
Speaker:aircraft flight and head out to your first safari destination.
Speaker:So you would come from wherever your lodge is.
Speaker:You'd go to the local domestic airport, you get on this 12
Speaker:seater, plane and you fly out.
Speaker:So they go to a lot of different areas and what I like to do, and I'm sure a
Speaker:lot of safari operators think similarly is what I like to do is I have to build
Speaker:your trip in climax for the wildlife expectation or based on your preferences.
Speaker:What is the most important aspect of your trip?
Speaker:So the first destination for me, I like to make sure that it has a good
Speaker:biodiversity, lots of wildlife to see, but also offers a variety of activity.
Speaker:I'm thinking for a more active family, I really love the Chrisia Hills
Speaker:region, which is up on be a plateau.
Speaker:I love attended camp called tumaren intend to camp and they do walking safaris.
Speaker:So it's a, you can do a multi night just walking safari and pitch a tent, camping
Speaker:with them with local Samburu guides and they have camels to support the walk.
Speaker:But you can also do just walks out from a luxury camp.
Speaker:So you can then base on being three generations.
Speaker:You can then tailor those walks based on the physical fitness
Speaker:level of each person in the group.
Speaker:Or for example, you have the younger folks that want to go out, in the
Speaker:morning and in the evening, perhaps the older individuals in the group
Speaker:would rather just go in the mornings or just in the evenings and kind of rest.
Speaker:I love this camp because it is incredibly personalized.
Speaker:You feel like you've just gone to your best friend's house.
Speaker:It's a place that makes you feel like you belong there and
Speaker:that you've always belong there.
Speaker:You get to know all the guides on a very personal level.
Speaker:It's Like this area called the Laikipia plateau.
Speaker:So the bugs and insects are very low because the elevation of the
Speaker:plateau itself is quite high.
Speaker:It's nice and cool in the evenings and warm and hot during the day.
Speaker:They have some basic rock climbing that can be done.
Speaker:You can do sundowners, overlooking the Plains and seeing all the wildlife there.
Speaker:If you're there on the right days, they have a market day, you can
Speaker:go out and go to the local markets and meet with the local people and
Speaker:go through the markets and do some shopping and see what that's like.
Speaker:And then the big, applause is getting out and actually doing these walking safaris.
Speaker:You experienced the safari in ways that most people bypass.
Speaker:So you see everything from the macro, from the macro, to the
Speaker:micro, you're seeing all of it.
Speaker:The big elephants, the Elan's, the zebra, but also the insects and
Speaker:how they build their nests and, the different plant life that they live on.
Speaker:And so it's really a, an incredible experience and you're doing it
Speaker:with a local Samburu guide as well.
Speaker:So the guides that they've had with them have been there 10, 15, 20 years.
Speaker:And they know the area like the back of their hands.
Speaker:So it's really exceptional.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And so we're out there in the safari.
Speaker:Talk to me about nights on a safari at a camp like that.
Speaker:So with tumor and you would do your safaris during the day.
Speaker:They wouldn't really offer a nighttime safari walking wise because of your
Speaker:safety, but in the camp itself, they'll have a fire pit you'll do so
Speaker:you can do, what's called a sundowner.
Speaker:So you get a drink.
Speaker:Everybody goes out on a walk, you get a drink, the sun is going down.
Speaker:The wildlife is in the backdrop.
Speaker:That's always amazing.
Speaker:Usually with snacks or like a toppest kind of experience.
Speaker:And then you'll come back to camp and you'll have dinner after dinner
Speaker:and people clean up be washed, wash up, change your clothes.
Speaker:You might go to the fire.
Speaker:And it.
Speaker:It tumor in, I think is a really special place.
Speaker:There's a lot of times where there's wildlife, they don't have
Speaker:a lot of predators in the area.
Speaker:They do exist, but so there's a lot of wildlife that comes in
Speaker:closer to camp and they'll come in closer to camp in the evenings.
Speaker:So while you're sitting at the fire, you won't really see anything necessarily
Speaker:quite close, but once the fire goes down, once everybody's done catching up, what
Speaker:are the amazing things I saw that day?
Speaker:You head back to your tent and.
Speaker:That evening, as you turn out the lights, you might as you're getting
Speaker:ready for sleep, you might hear or see some wildlife out in the distance.
Speaker:And so sometimes if you keep the lights down low, you can actually
Speaker:see things that are out there.
Speaker:Zebras that are coming close into camp after everything's gotten
Speaker:quiet Eland giraffe, even that are coming in close to camp.
Speaker:There's just always, these camps are really special because they're not fenced.
Speaker:They're really open all the time.
Speaker:And obviously there's a lot of safety protocols in place, but in
Speaker:theory, you can see wildlife all the
Speaker:time.
Speaker:Glad you said that.
Speaker:Cause that was going to be my question.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:They have night guards that patrol all of these camps have
Speaker:night guards that go around all the time and they're in constant
Speaker:communication about what's in camp.
Speaker:And what is it doing and where is it?
Speaker:So not to worry there.
Speaker:That's good to know.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yeah, this sounds spectacular.
Speaker:So it sounds like this is the you said probably more the grazing
Speaker:animals more than it is the things that would be more carnivores.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So they're both, there,, they are both there.
Speaker:But it's, there's not going to be as dense of a population of
Speaker:predatory animals in the area.
Speaker:So they do have a lion population of lion pride, but there's not going to be as
Speaker:much around as say when we get you out to the Masai Mara, which is like big cat
Speaker:country, it's all the big cats are there.
Speaker:Lots of activity.
Speaker:So this area just has a little less.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And especially for a country like Africa with migrations and other
Speaker:things, what would you command a three generation party visit?
Speaker:It does.
Speaker:It depends on what you want to see.
Speaker:Kenya, I think is amazing as far as east African countries go, is that even in the
Speaker:low season, there's still a lot to see.
Speaker:There's still a lot to do.
Speaker:The rains do come, but in smaller spurts.
Speaker:So I would say if you're looking for great migration activity, which would
Speaker:be part of our two or three stop, safari, destination itinerary, then
Speaker:you're really for Kenya specifically, you definitely have to be there.
Speaker:Maybe very tail end of July.
Speaker:So August really August and September and perhaps early, early October,
Speaker:that's when the migration is going back and forth between the Serengeti
Speaker:ecosystem in Tanzania to the Masai Mara ecosystem, which obviously they're
Speaker:the same ecosystem back and forth.
Speaker:And they move back and forth in large groups and in smaller
Speaker:groups based on the rains and the nutritional levels and the grasses.
Speaker:So it really does depend how much activity you get based on what's
Speaker:going on with nutrition in the area.
Speaker:So explain to us like what a safari would be like, how many days would we
Speaker:stay in one tent or would, or we would move on with a Jeep or do we walk or.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:So the first place I mentioned to Moran is a walking safari, but there's other places
Speaker:on the Laikipia plateau, for example, that are fully, vehicle based safaris
Speaker:that offer different activities as well.
Speaker:So Camelbacks safari is horseback safaris, things like that.
Speaker:You would go to Laikipia plateau maybe for three nights.
Speaker:And you would do the region, whichever area you really isolated
Speaker:in on you would do the region so that you could see as much diversity
Speaker:as you can while you're there.
Speaker:Certainly without feeling like you're moving around too much from there.
Speaker:If you go from there you go right out to the Masai Mara, which you can do, you
Speaker:would do three or four nights out there.
Speaker:So if you did a two stop safari, I would probably suggest
Speaker:three nights in one location.
Speaker:And four nights in another location again.
Speaker:So you don't feel like your safari is really rushed and short.
Speaker:If you're doing a three-stop safari or more, and I've had people do
Speaker:trips that are 30, 40 days long.
Speaker:So if you're doing more it depends on how quickly you want to move through it.
Speaker:But I like to do, specifically for Kenya, I like to do three nights, three nights,
Speaker:three nights at a minimum, because almost all the areas in Kenya you have to fly to.
Speaker:So if you're going to take all that time and energy to fly to a location,
Speaker:then you might as well really feel like you're settling in and truly enjoying it.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And when you speak to fly between deaf different destinations, I
Speaker:know in conferring with friends of ours that traveled through Audley
Speaker:travel and had a fantastic time.
Speaker:I know they talked about the importance of packing light because they were
Speaker:really going into the remote regions and there was a premium on unpacking.
Speaker:Can you maybe speak.
Speaker:The insofar as we're traveling between different areas, how people would
Speaker:pack and what type of plane it is.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:So in, in Kenya and Tanzania, Uganda all of these areas, you do have to
Speaker:take lights, light aircraft flight.
Speaker:It is a propeller plane, basically it seats 12 and the weight limits
Speaker:are obviously really important based on keeping the plane safe in flight.
Speaker:So the weight limits do depends on which airline you have, but they're
Speaker:take typically between 15 kilograms, and 20 kilograms, which is typically
Speaker:33 pounds to 44 pounds for your checked luggage and also your hand luggage.
Speaker:So the reason why, and for those of you can't see me, the reason I did
Speaker:that is because I did air quotes around that because there are certain
Speaker:ways get around it a little bit.
Speaker:Basically, what you need to do is you need to make sure that you have a day
Speaker:pack that you take physically on the plane with you, and it can have, your
Speaker:camera your snacks, whatever your water bottle and things of that nature.
Speaker:And then you have a duffel bag that is totally soft sided for the most part.
Speaker:It is gotta be a specific size and dimension, and it can't wait any
Speaker:more than 33 pounds when you put it together with your hand luggage,
Speaker:which would be your backpack.
Speaker:And that in some cases goes under the plane and in some cases
Speaker:goes inside the plane with you, but in the tail of the plane.
Speaker:So you do end up having to be a little bit more strategic about how you pack, cause
Speaker:you don't get to bring a roller board with you or a large suitcase with you.
Speaker:And so you are typically thinking about lightweight, quick drawing materials
Speaker:and clothing as opposed to your more luxurious cottons and jeans and things
Speaker:of that nature, bringing it down to two shoes instead of four, that sort
Speaker:of stuff, leaving the makeup at home.
Speaker:Understood.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So again this first site sounds tremendous, you
Speaker:mentioned was it the Masai mara
Speaker:as a very even more robust, a second spot?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So if you were doing a two stop safari, I would say and again,
Speaker:there's lots of other areas too.
Speaker:So there's Amboseli where Kilimanjaro is at the base of Amboseli.
Speaker:There's late night, Nyasha, there's Savo, there's all these other areas.
Speaker:But if you want to really diverse destinations, I personally tend to
Speaker:really like Laikipia plateau, which is a very diverse ecosystem, mountains,
Speaker:five different species that you can't see anywhere else live here.
Speaker:And you can do a little bit more activity typically in the area.
Speaker:Then you can, some of the other places combined with the Masai
Speaker:Mara is really spectacular.
Speaker:The Masai Mara has a national reserve, run by.
Speaker:Kenya.
Speaker:And then it also has concessions and conservancies that essentially
Speaker:border it all the way around.
Speaker:So from the Tanzania border on each side of the national reserve, going
Speaker:over the Northern part of the Mara down back to the Tanzania border and the
Speaker:national reserve area is where, the great migration the river, the Mara river
Speaker:is, and it's where people are typically wanting to go for the great migration,
Speaker:sit along the river and watch the great migration, but you can also do your stay.
Speaker:And what I like to recommend is doing your stay in a concession or a Conservancy.
Speaker:Again, the, they have the same wildlife, the same big cats, the
Speaker:same elephants, the same giraffe.
Speaker:The migration will be in the conservancies in some way or
Speaker:another as well from a concession.
Speaker:Basically what you're looking at is.
Speaker:A lower number of people and vehicles allowed in any given concession.
Speaker:You have to be staying in a concession in order to do wildlife viewing in them.
Speaker:And so you get far less traffic.
Speaker:If you're at a really good siting, there's not going to be a lot of other
Speaker:cars trying to also see the same thing.
Speaker:And that could be a kill.
Speaker:You could be watching a hunt, you could be watching just a beautiful elephant but
Speaker:you won't be there with, 10 other cars.
Speaker:That being said, you, when you're in the concession, you can come into
Speaker:the Masai Mara national reserve and do a full day at the river.
Speaker:If you want to and try to catch a river crossing.
Speaker:The reason why people are so excited about river crossings is
Speaker:because of how spectacular and dynamic and chaotic they are.
Speaker:The great migration is essentially 2 million animals that are
Speaker:attempting to cross this river.
Speaker:At any given point, you might see a hundred, you might see 200, you
Speaker:might see 50, you might see a hundred thousand and they might all try to
Speaker:go at the same time across the river.
Speaker:And but what I would say is what most people end up seeing is a big
Speaker:lineup of animals waiting for the first one to be brave enough to go.
Speaker:And so you have to wait.
Speaker:And you're waiting it out with a lot of other vehicles
Speaker:who are also waiting it out.
Speaker:So it's nice to have this breakup with a concession.
Speaker:So you come in, you try to see the great migration.
Speaker:You try to see this river crossing event.
Speaker:You can do two stops in the Mara if you want to, where you're doing some
Speaker:nights and a concession and some nights in the national reserve, if you really
Speaker:want to dedicate a lot more time to the river crossing, but if you're doing a
Speaker:concession, you can leave the crowd behind and go to your much more exclusive, much
Speaker:more isolated area where the only people who are there are people who are staying
Speaker:at a larger camp that's in the region.
Speaker:And of course, at a river crossing, these are crocodile infested rivers.
Speaker:So
Speaker:yes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Crocodiles, hippos.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:wildebeest and zebra trying to cross it's very, it's all very dramatic, exciting.
Speaker:It's exciting.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And when they're not trying to cross the rivers and there's lions
Speaker:and cheetahs and leopards all trying to catch them elsewhere.
Speaker:So it's all very exciting.
Speaker:Great..
Speaker:Let's say for our purposes, we wanted to take on a third remote region to frequent.
Speaker:Where would you have us finish up?
Speaker:We could do it a couple of different ways.
Speaker:So depending on the age of everyone in the group and thinking about in terms
Speaker:of when you might travel and if COVID is a factor, to be honest, leaving the
Speaker:country and are going to another country if everyone is over the age of 15 and
Speaker:you wanted something really spectacular, I would send you to Rwanda, Uganda,
Speaker:and I would send you guerrilla treking.
Speaker:That's what I would do.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:You can get into both regions.
Speaker:Uganda is very seamless with Kenya, or if you want to keep it
Speaker:really safari based, maybe your group is not as physically active.
Speaker:Maybe the difficulty of a train of gorilla tracking would be too much.
Speaker:I would say on the front end of the trip, we could add Amboseli national
Speaker:park, which has those absolutely incredible views of Kilimanjaro.
Speaker:All those pictures of Kilimanjaro with the elephants in the foreground and this
Speaker:incredible mountain in the background.
Speaker:Those are all from Amboseli.
Speaker:The.
Speaker:Elephant population in Amboseli is absolutely incredible.
Speaker:It's a very different ecosystem that is very reliant on the
Speaker:glacier melt from Kilimanjaro.
Speaker:And so it's also an ecosystem that over time is going to continue is
Speaker:going to change and may not be the same in years to come when the glacier
Speaker:is essentially gone and Kilimanjaro.
Speaker:So I do think it's a really important ecosystem to explore.
Speaker:If you're interested.
Speaker:You also get a chance there to.
Speaker:The elephants that have those really long tusks that go all the way to the
Speaker:ground, or longer that's where they're transiting and traveling through, they
Speaker:go between Amboseli essentially and Savo, which is closer to the beach, . Oh,
Speaker:there's so many options, but your last, like very easy add on kind of
Speaker:option, I would say is heading over to the Kenyan coast on the Indian ocean.
Speaker:So if you have folks in your group that really liked the beach, maybe
Speaker:they want to do some snorkeling or diving, or they want to see the whale
Speaker:sharks depending on the time of year.
Speaker:Getting out to the Kenyan coast would be a really interesting option as well.
Speaker:White Sandy beaches, beautiful, pristine water completely
Speaker:different cultural vibe as well.
Speaker:It's a really beautiful place.
Speaker:I think you've done a very nice job of speaking to someone.
Speaker:How do you accommodate people that operate at different speeds?
Speaker:How do you accommodate the kids and where some of the restrictions on
Speaker:kids, what are the restrictions on, what might be some of the ways where
Speaker:the older generation can, maybe go at a slower speed for some of this?
Speaker:So thank you.
Speaker:My question is, are there other aspects that you think this is really good for
Speaker:kids or need to be of kids and suddenly for adults, other aspects that would be
Speaker:really attractive for the grandparents and things that you've seen where grandparents
Speaker:may want to stay ahead of some issues?
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:So I think a lot of it just goes down or goes back to people's physical
Speaker:capabilities, and really you're dealing with this just incredible plethora
Speaker:of what people feel comfortable doing and what they're capable of doing.
Speaker:And those conversations are so important to have when you're designing a safari.
Speaker:And it could be as something as simple as.
Speaker:We really love this camp, but actually all of the tents are, this arduous walk
Speaker:from the main area, uphill up rocks, 75,000 steps to get from place to place.
Speaker:And so some of those things might be important as part of the conversation
Speaker:to make sure that you're going to the right place and you're staying
Speaker:at the right accommodation as well as, what the kids might be interested
Speaker:in and certainly their ages.
Speaker:So there are a lot of different camps.
Speaker:And another reason why I love Kenya so much, there are a lot of
Speaker:different camps that really cater to a child and a family oriented trip.
Speaker:They will have activities with their local guides.
Speaker:They'll have basically like scouting or a ascari type activities.
Speaker:They'll teach archery to the kids.
Speaker:They'll take them out on community walks and do a community walk with
Speaker:the children depending on their age and their interest level.
Speaker:Of course.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And they'll do just really anything.
Speaker:They'll teach them traditional ways, fire starting even like in
Speaker:a traditional way of doing that.
Speaker:And I've seen this.
Speaker:Really diverse layering of how this has done and what families
Speaker:are really comfortable with doing.
Speaker:There are areas where you can get really in with the local community and you can
Speaker:just literally quite let your child run and go and play with the local kids.
Speaker:Obviously again, a pre COVID situation, but it would be one of those, one
Speaker:of those things where you would say hopefully as this, we see the light
Speaker:at the end of the tunnel of this we see those things starting to pick
Speaker:up again where you can really engage with local families and whatnot.
Speaker:So the kids, I think are.
Speaker:The easiest because they really, we really have a family focus in
Speaker:Kenya and the majority of camps will have some sort of child activity.
Speaker:Some of them, a lot of we'll have pools.
Speaker:They'll have massage, they'll have beadwork, they'll have something to
Speaker:go to that will give the kids extra activities to do for your older clients.
Speaker:I think what you really need to do is make sure again, that the
Speaker:physical capabilities are being met.
Speaker:And so do they have anything that you need to be concerned about?
Speaker:Is it really that they can't do a lot of walking?
Speaker:They, they need to sit and rest for a while or are they actually super active
Speaker:and they're going to be bored to tears sitting in a vehicle all day long.
Speaker:Because certainly that happens too.
Speaker:For the most part, I would say safari is really.
Speaker:Relaxing for a lot of people because you're not doing the driving, you're
Speaker:not doing the talking, you're not doing the instructing or any of that.
Speaker:You have this incredible guide who's in charge of all of it and ensuring that
Speaker:you're getting to the right places at the right time to get the best wildlife.
Speaker:And you're sitting laid back in a vehicle again, for the most part.
Speaker:Taking it all in having this wildlife come 10 feet off the vehicle and just be
Speaker:right there and then getting a complete lesson in what they're doing and why
Speaker:they're doing it and their whole, biology.
Speaker:I think that it tends to cater to everybody in those terms for your
Speaker:older clients, I think you, are they somebody who really wants a massage?
Speaker:Are they super into photography?
Speaker:I think some of those things come out later, do they have a C-PAP machine?
Speaker:You need to know the medical requirements and interests, do they want to sit down
Speaker:and speak with elders of the tribal group?
Speaker:Is that important to them?
Speaker:And those kinds of things, the cultural aspects, I find oftentimes
Speaker:tend to be more important for our older clientele than some of our kids.
Speaker:Tremendous again, very inspiring.
Speaker:And I think for us certainly great.
Speaker:Iceland's a great example.
Speaker:Sometimes we pick a hike where some people can do part of the
Speaker:hike but not the entire hike.
Speaker:And that tends to be a happy middle.
Speaker:So speaking of medical issues is there a physician or some type of person
Speaker:that knows medicine a little bit
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:So there is basic, obviously there's first aid and basic first aide and
Speaker:in all of the camps, but there's also clinics there's local clinics
Speaker:dotted throughout the country.
Speaker:And so it's, in the Masai Mara or in the like EPO, wherever you might
Speaker:be, there is going to be a local clinic that can deal with quite
Speaker:a bit of what might be going on.
Speaker:If you do have a more major medical emergency, you would need to be
Speaker:medivaced to Nairobi where they do have a very modern hospital.
Speaker:They essentially are the most modern hospital in the area.
Speaker:Okay, perfect.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I think she could speak to this, but do you want to ask them picky eater?
Speaker:. That's this is a tough question.
Speaker:I'll tell you that we have some picky eaters and we have allergies.
Speaker:So what do you do when you have that coming to a safari when
Speaker:there's probably limited food?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So they will do an exceptional job catering to, any kind of dietary needs.
Speaker:So whether it is, I don't like this food, I love this food or an
Speaker:allergy or, whatever it might be.
Speaker:They, if in a safari setting, you do need to tell your specialist or whomever
Speaker:is planning the trip in advance so that they can add that information.
Speaker:And then camp can purchase food based on what they're going to be cooking for you.
Speaker:And they'll meal plan based on what they are able to feed you.
Speaker:So for example I'm vegan.
Speaker:Obviously there's quite a bit of foods that I don't eat.
Speaker:And so they'll make an entire amazing meal for everyone else that's at the table.
Speaker:And it'll be some sort of steak or chicken or, who knows what it is,
Speaker:it's this beautiful plate of food.
Speaker:And then I'll have something they'll, I'll have something completely different.
Speaker:So my food will be maybe in line with some of the side dishes that are going
Speaker:on, but also then I'll have my own names.
Speaker:So it'll be a chick pea fritter, it'll be grilled eggplant.
Speaker:It'll be, some sort of fresh vegetable that's going on.
Speaker:And they do a really great job at that.
Speaker:So they, they do really well.
Speaker:And there are some camps, again, that we might select based on your dietary needs.
Speaker:So if you're kosher or gluten-free there's some places that are going
Speaker:to be better at it than others.
Speaker:And so depending on where, what your situation is, it is important to express
Speaker:that so that you can get fitted into the right camps that are going to
Speaker:be able to meet your needs the best.
Speaker:I think that's good because I know with food allergies with our daughter, we
Speaker:definitely are well ahead of planning on where they can and cannot go.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Another question so if we were going to go shopping for our souvenirs,
Speaker:what kind of souvenirs would we want to bring back from Africa or Kenya?
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:I'm from Kenya.
Speaker:I like local traditional artwork.
Speaker:So I like obviously the Messiah really famous for their beadwork and the
Speaker:colors are really vibrant, other tribal groups are great with their fabrics.
Speaker:If you're in Nairobi, cause Kazuri beads is all handmade and handcrafted
Speaker:and they do all the jewelry by hand.
Speaker:And so that's a really great option, but basically I think what
Speaker:you're looking for is you want to purchase as locally as possible.
Speaker:I think when you're shopping for souvenirs I.
Speaker:I think village visit visits are tricky in terms of souvenir
Speaker:shopping, just because a lot of times they're put on tourist villages.
Speaker:So what you're actually really hoping for is much more of a unique experience,
Speaker:a true interaction, as much as possible.
Speaker:There are definitely souvenir shops that your guide can direct you to
Speaker:that are going to be more in line.
Speaker:But after that, going right to the source, so going right to the women,
Speaker:making the beautiful bead work necklace that you have, these ha they'll make
Speaker:these incredible collars basically.
Speaker:And they'll be made out of leather and their hand stitched bead work with these
Speaker:beautiful long beads trailing down in the front, and they can be put up on
Speaker:your wall is art, or handmade paintings.
Speaker:They'll do basically they'll do bead work on pretty much everything.
Speaker:So yeah.
Speaker:Quite literally coffee mugs with beadwork all over them and
Speaker:beaded bowls and all of that.
Speaker:And I think as long as you're getting it from the source, you'll
Speaker:get this spectacular, very vibrant, very colorful piece of work.
Speaker:That's true to the heritage of the area.
Speaker:That
Speaker:sounds perfect.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:Something we're looking for when we bring some Africa back with us.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I think I'm down to my last three questions.
Speaker:The question is the part of the show, our mother-in-law refers to as the Do's
Speaker:and donuts what should three things that we should do and three things we
Speaker:should not do while we're in Kenya.
Speaker:Three things you should do.
Speaker:I was thinking about this.
Speaker:I was really thinking about this.
Speaker:Like what are the must haves while you're there?
Speaker:And I think that in Kenya I really feel like you should.
Speaker:I don't know if this really works in the category, but I think you should
Speaker:just really put yourself out there, like 100% don't hold back, don't be reserved.
Speaker:Don't be concerned.
Speaker:And just let it beat you just be there.
Speaker:And if you do that, you'll really immerse yourself in the culture.
Speaker:You're really hear all the sounds of the wildlife at night.
Speaker:When you're on a drive at night, you can hear like the bull frogs and
Speaker:the cat calls late in the evening.
Speaker:And if you really allow yourself to be in the moment, you can experience
Speaker:Africa on a whole another level.
Speaker:And I think that is probably my most important do.
Speaker:Just leave it behind you and do it just be there 100%.
Speaker:And I think Africa will touch you in a way that, that no other place can.
Speaker:And then Other dues would be take all the experiences that they will give you.
Speaker:So there's things that I can preplan for you and there's things that I can't
Speaker:and the things that I can't preplan for, you could be the most amazing
Speaker:thing that you could possibly do.
Speaker:Certainly it could be a off the cuff.
Speaker:Hey, this morning, let's go for a walk.
Speaker:Let's go to the village.
Speaker:Let's try this.
Speaker:Let's try that.
Speaker:Hey, do you want to go to this local little eatery down here?
Speaker:And I would say, obviously safety first, but do it go and do it, experience it.
Speaker:And those, I tend to find, tend to be the most rewarding experiences for
Speaker:all of my travelers when they do them.
Speaker:And then my last big do would be to definitely do a walking safari.
Speaker:So even if you don't go to a place that is like solely a walking safari, destination,
Speaker:do some sort of walking safari in your time, because you'll, again, you'll
Speaker:experience safari in a very different way,
Speaker:real quick on a walking safari.
Speaker:How long are you expected to walk for our older generation to know?
Speaker:Cause my mother has limitations, but she's very healthy.
Speaker:So she, is, are we looking for one mile 10 miles?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So it depends.
Speaker:So if you're doing it out of a camp that doesn't solely do walking safaris, then
Speaker:you know, you might go out early in the morning as the sun is rising and it'll
Speaker:be one of those things where you're going out and it'll be like an hour long walks.
Speaker:So how long it actually is, might depend on what you're
Speaker:seeing and experiencing really.
Speaker:But you'll get out there.
Speaker:You'll do it for an hour maybe, and then you'll turn around and come back.
Speaker:And then if you're doing a place that's an actual walking safari location.
Speaker:You can definitely.
Speaker:Do it in terms of catering, the walks, the tumerian.
Speaker:And I, like I mentioned, we'll cater the walks to your preferences and abilities.
Speaker:So if she's only capable of doing a mile or two miles, whatever it might
Speaker:be, that's what they'll cater it to.
Speaker:And then if everybody else wants to go out and go further, you can do that also.
Speaker:Perfect.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And three, do you not, sir, or three cautionary things
Speaker:you would caution against?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Three do nots do not drink the water straight from the tap?
Speaker:That's really bad.
Speaker:Sounds like a silly one.
Speaker:It sounds like things we should all know, but don't do it.
Speaker:If you're going to get sick, that's probably how do you be extra careful
Speaker:when you're in bigger cities and areas?
Speaker:As far as As well so even at a big hotel, a big chain or at a restaurant, you do
Speaker:want to be a little bit more thoughtful about what you eat and how it's prepared.
Speaker:That would be fruits with peels or things that are fully cooked.
Speaker:How is it being prepared to make sure that again, you're keeping
Speaker:yourself healthy during the trip.
Speaker:And then I would say, do not, while you're in Kenya, go out for a night on the town.
Speaker:It's not really a place where you do that.
Speaker:There are areas that aren't really not that great as far as your safety.
Speaker:And there it's just not, it's just not that kind of place.
Speaker:If you're going to go out in the evenings, you want to go with a guide.
Speaker:You want to make sure that you have somebody in that, there's somebody that's
Speaker:speaking the local language for you.
Speaker:Three, three very useful lessons.
Speaker:So two more questions I had, and maybe you've touched upon this, but
Speaker:I'll fill in the blank question.
Speaker:My most memorable experience in Kenya was.
Speaker:Oh, my most memorable experience in Kenya was I was recently really reminiscing
Speaker:about some time that I spent in a place called Samburu national reserve.
Speaker:That has two big moments that really stand out for me.
Speaker:One, which is a really simple one to explain, which was we stopped for a Bush
Speaker:breakfast a surprise Bush breakfast, and we were all in this beautiful river and
Speaker:there was a herd of, it must've been.
Speaker:20 elephants that just started coming and they just kept coming and coming.
Speaker:And there is, all sizes, all shapes all the way down to babies
Speaker:and helping them get across the matriarchs, helping them get across
Speaker:the river and kind of all of that.
Speaker:And it was completely unexpected.
Speaker:It was not, we were not there necessarily to see kind of wildlife.
Speaker:We were there to be in an area to have this Bush breakfast and
Speaker:that was really spectacular.
Speaker:And then another one that comes to mind is my closest encounter.
Speaker:Closest viewing of a leopard.
Speaker:A lot of times leopards are extremely elusive.
Speaker:They tend to be alone.
Speaker:They tend to be solitary.
Speaker:And they're really hard to see.
Speaker:As far as the big cats are concerned and we were out in Samburu, same
Speaker:place in an evening drive and the sun was starting to set.
Speaker:We were starting to head towards our sundowners again,
Speaker:along the same beautiful.
Speaker:And all of a sudden there was just this leopard, this beautiful leopard.
Speaker:And she was out on a hunt.
Speaker:And I think for the duration of the time that we were with her, she was six to
Speaker:10 feet off the side of the vehicle.
Speaker:And at one point, I have my camera and I'm taking all these pictures
Speaker:of her and waiting for her to, is she going to look at us?
Speaker:Is she going, gonna look at us?
Speaker:And sh there's this moment where she just makes direct eye contact
Speaker:and I captured it on, on film.
Speaker:And it was just really spectacular.
Speaker:I've never had a wildlife siding like that since or before.
Speaker:Obviously the gorillas chimpanzees, all of that.
Speaker:But the, in Kenya, definitely that leopard, just piercing look right in
Speaker:your eyes also somewhat terrifying.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:I can see I'm gonna have to get a new camera when we go to Kenya or rent one.
Speaker:, I was going to ask my final question again, our guest today is Amy Czarnecki.
Speaker:Amy.
Speaker:Thank you so much.
Speaker:This has been a tremendous interview.
Speaker:I know we will definitely be in touch in the near future about
Speaker:setting up a vacation to Kenya.
Speaker:So thank you.
Speaker:Just want to give you one last chance to say whatever you wanted to say and
Speaker:promote what would promote yourself.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:I think that the way there's a lot of different ways to do incredible trips
Speaker:these days, and there's a lot of different ways to get your family out there.
Speaker:And what I really love about Audley travel and what I do for them is that
Speaker:they really ensure that we know our stuff.
Speaker:And I think that is something that's so important when you're trying to
Speaker:design a trip for multi-generations because you need somebody that can
Speaker:talk and speak to all the different generations and their needs.
Speaker:So I think Audley is really special that way is that they'll send you
Speaker:on research trips every single year.
Speaker:You get in-depth training, you get in-depth look at everything that
Speaker:you are talking about and selling.
Speaker:And they really care about the entire user, client
Speaker:experience from start to finish.
Speaker:So I do really love the experience.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Anecdotally, the friends that we've known that have used all the Audley
Speaker:travel to an African safari, I just had a tremendous experience both at
Speaker:the onset preparing for it, making sure they knew what they were getting into.
Speaker:They were well prepared for the trip.
Speaker:And then afterwards just the pictures and you hear them
Speaker:talking about the experience.
Speaker:You can not do better than the travel with all the Audley travel.
Speaker:So thank you so much.
Speaker:It's
Speaker:been a tremendous, yeah.
Speaker:Thank you so much.
Speaker:Loved it.
Speaker:That was wonderful.
Speaker:You guys, thank you so much as well, and have having incredible safari when you go,
Speaker:maybe that's something else to add.
Speaker:It's never too early to start.
Speaker:The camps are really small.
Speaker:They're, eight, 10 rooms.
Speaker:And so they sell out quickly the good ones.
Speaker:Anyway, they sell out really quick.
Speaker:And then if you want exactly what you want without compromise, you do it early.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:So until next time, thank you very much.
Speaker:Grab the Kids.
Speaker:Don't forget the grandparents thank you all.
Speaker:We thank you and appreciate your continued support.
